Hi @marcjenkins
How did your session with Flock go last night? Let us know what worked, what didn’t work and any thoughts and comments!
Thanks
Paul
Hi @marcjenkins
How did your session with Flock go last night? Let us know what worked, what didn’t work and any thoughts and comments!
Thanks
Paul
Hi @paulr! Things went quite well, once people got in. I am tired of our old material so taught a chorus of a new song in harmony. People were ecstatic! I’ll reply to this post as I get more feedback, but for now:
Overall I’m feeling like I’d run with Flock if:
Lastly, feature request: could a video portion be included, just for the director? Even low-res. I would use that just to talk to folks (they’d feel more connected) and while teaching new parts - my gestures are pretty integral.
Thanks!
Fantastic! Very cool to hear about your singers enjoying it so much and yes please post any feedback here - that would be great.
Getting the first larger group session under one’s belt is a big milestone. Good luck with the Thunderbolt connection problem - that sounds important to fix.
Any idea what the issue was for the people struggling to connect? Was it simply copy-pasting the session name and pwd? And were they able to connect eventually or they were prevented from participating?
Very pleased to hear that latency was not an issue!
Yeah, ASIO4ALL is not the easiest. Unfortunately it’s needed for Windows. A few suggestions on this:
Metronome… definitely we’ll be updating that. Low-res video for the leader is also firmly on the list.
Thanks!!
Paul
This is all great Paul, you’re all doing a fantastic job and it is so appreciated!
Thanks again!
Issues as described by one singer last night:
Here are the issues I encountered tonight (I am running Windows 10 with
Asio4all installed, using over-ear headphones and a USB desktop mic
(Samson Meteor)):
-I took Glen’s suggestion and unplugged my USB mic, and as soon as I
did, I got a pop-up saying that Flock wasn’t running properly and had to
close. I rebooted and reopened Flock, however even after replugging and
rebooting, Flock didn’t detect my microphone. I had to unplug and replug
my mic again before it appeared in my input list in my settings, then I
was able to rejoin successfully. (Seems like the initial problem was
with my mic - Flock stopped detecting it for some reason and it all crashed)
@paulr What’s the largest group test so far? Any expected cap on numbers? Is it at all reasonable to think I could do running Flock with 60-70 singers?
For most of those people, it might be due to your internet connection as leader. Disconnects usually happen when the network connection is unstable or being blocked.
For the person who couldn’t connect, it might be a firewall on her side.
Here’s a fuller description of the typical issues on the connect/disconnect topic:
https://community.flock.digital/t/troubleshooting-guide/85#heading–disconnected
Could this singer post a few screenshots in the forum of their Flock Audio settings and ASIO4ALL control panel? Plus copy-paste of the self-test result. We might be able to see something that could help.
Yes 60-70 singers should be totally fine. We have run simulations with 100s of singers. The most real-life singers we’ve had in a session is 42. That was purely a logistical issue of having setup approx 50 singers and the 42 were those people available that evening. The two main constraints on group size are your computer’s processor (CPU) and upload bandwidth.
In our case with the 42 singers connected, Ed’s computer had very low CPU utilization and could easily have handled triple the load. The other constraint is bandwidth and the 1 Mbps upload per singer. So if you’ve got consistent 70Mbps upload then you should be able to manage 70 singers.
Do you mean the singer with the Samson mic? I should have clarified that they had these issues but all were resolved and she sang for an hour with us!
Ok great. Yes I re-read your original post and see now that it was an issue with the mic. Thanks!
A few suggestions from one of my singers (she also directs a choir of her own):
@paulr Ok so that singer who had decent test results but slower latency is still having issues. They verified that their connection to their provider is sound (1 hour tech support call) but their latency on Flcok is stioll 40 mbps. I’ve attached her screenshots, anything come to mind?
One other possible factor - the sound stopped working on her Mac a while back. Took to shop, they tried some things but said ‘we couldn’t do anything, you should upgrade to teh newest os.’ But then the sound DID work so she hasn’t upgraded.
A few thoughts of things to explore:
Thanks Paul, will forward all this! Hopefully something works!
Hi Paul
I’m a member of one of Marc’s choirs. First I’d like to say Flock’s achievement is significant. I have some experience with other synchronous music tools and they are more frustrating. I also have coached s few people on ASIO4ALL. I use a MAC so It’s not an issue for me but I have lots of Windows experience as I was he SIO for a college here for some years. Some suggestions to ease the integration of Windows users for choir directors I would suggest considering are: integrating access to relevant ASIO4All controls directly into Flock. I notice that the TRACKTION DAW does this.; videos or tutorials on the key elements of ASIO4ALL. ASIO4ALL is a nice free tool but it plunges users into the deep end of both IT and digital music tech worlds. Once you are wildly successful and have the resources maybe provide your own drivers. Great work so far and thanks for listening
Kevin
Hey Kevin, thanks very much for your post. The aim is to make Flock as easy to configure and use as possible given the tech constraints, but as you correctly point out ASIO4ALL is the weakest link in the chain.
Have you got a screenshot or more detailed info you can share on what TRACKTION does? That sounds like it could be an interesting path to explore.
On the videos and tutorials, we’ve just started with those. Any recommendations of what’s missing or ways to improve are appreciated. Here’s the main post: https://community.flock.digital/t/asio4all-windows-everything-you-need-to-know/51
Best
Paul
Hi Paul
I have to apologize. I couldn’t find it in TRACTION and then remembered it was JAMKAZAM that had the direct connection to ASIO4ALL. It’s been a while since I’ve used JAMKAZAM. Anyway I use so many programs I got confused. I just looked through JAMKAZAM’S latest and it is no longer there. In their new help site there is a reference to ASIO4ALL that says to not use it as it is unreliable. I guess they gave up. They only reference using audio interfaces now which is asking a lot from choir participants. I don’t think singers would take kindly to going that route and most wouldn’t do it. So sorry to mislead you.
Having said that, JAMKAZAM used to do this so it is possible to vector to ASIO4ALL directly from another application. I don’t know if there are any other free drivers out there but I will take a look around.
Best . . .
Kevin
No worries - and thanks for all the info!
You or your developers are probably up to speed on this but just in case, the ASIO4ALL API was published on the official website in February.
Best Regards
Kevin